Comments on: One Nation. Under God. Locked and Loaded? http://fightingforliberty.com/419/one-nation-under-god-locked-and-loaded/ ... because the alternative pretty much sucks. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:14:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Sailorcurt http://fightingforliberty.com/419/one-nation-under-god-locked-and-loaded/#comment-1199 Sailorcurt Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:16:10 +0000 http://fightingforliberty.com/419/one-nation-under-god-locked-and-loaded/#comment-1199 <i>Personally, I’m not a believer, my comment boils down to where I place my faith.</i> Roger that...in that case, please forgive the sermon. Know that I'll be praying for you though. Personally, I’m not a believer, my comment boils down to where I place my faith.

Roger that…in that case, please forgive the sermon.

Know that I’ll be praying for you though.

]]> By: Liberty http://fightingforliberty.com/419/one-nation-under-god-locked-and-loaded/#comment-1198 Liberty Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:05:07 +0000 http://fightingforliberty.com/419/one-nation-under-god-locked-and-loaded/#comment-1198 Hey Sailorcurt. I love that joke. :-) Personally, I'm not a believer, my comment boils down to where I place my faith. As a non-believer I place my faith in my own ability, the tool I choose to keep and maintain, and my awareness of a situation and the reality in which I've found myself. You may say all of those things come from God's hand, I say it comes from me as an individual. The ends are the same, we'd probably just disagree on the road that brought us there. Hey Sailorcurt. I love that joke. :-)

Personally, I’m not a believer, my comment boils down to where I place my faith. As a non-believer I place my faith in my own ability, the tool I choose to keep and maintain, and my awareness of a situation and the reality in which I’ve found myself. You may say all of those things come from God’s hand, I say it comes from me as an individual. The ends are the same, we’d probably just disagree on the road that brought us there.

]]> By: Sailorcurt http://fightingforliberty.com/419/one-nation-under-god-locked-and-loaded/#comment-1197 Sailorcurt Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:05:31 +0000 http://fightingforliberty.com/419/one-nation-under-god-locked-and-loaded/#comment-1197 All of the hysterics about this issue had one thing in common: each and every one of them misrepresented the situation. Not one of them bothered to mention that the Church was giving away a firearm as the culmination of a supervised and educational shooting competition. It wasn't just a church randomly handing out a gun like the hoplophobes portrayed it. Anyone who has ever done any competition shooting is used to guns being given away at them...it's almost expected. I do find one statement you made a little disturbing though: <i>I, however, trust guns more than God</i> If you are a Believer. I hope you don't mean that literally. A gun is a tool. It may be helpful in a self defense situation...or not. God helps those who help themselves, but having faith in the tool over having faith that God will grant you the wisdom to use it wisely and the fortitude and skill to use it well is a faith that is a bit misplaced. I ran across a joke a while back that sums it up perfectly: A preacher during a flood had faith and prayed for God to save him. When the water was up to his ankles some people in a truck came bay and offered to drive him to safety. The Preacher said "no thanks, God will save me". When the water was up to his waist, some people in a boat came by and offered to take him to safety. The Preacher said "no thanks, God will save me". When the water was up to the roof and the Preacher was on the rooftop, some people in a helicopter dropped him a ladder and offered to fly him to safety. The Preacher said "no thanks, God will save me". When the water was about to cover the Preacher's head he cried out "God, oh God, why have you forsaken me?" God spoke to the preacher and said "What are you talking about? I sent you a truck, a boat and a helicopter...what more do you want?" The point being that I have complete faith in God...not that he will send his heavenly hosts to save me when I'm in danger...but that He will provide me with the tools, skills and ability to save myself...if that's His plan for me. That doesn't mean I have total faith in my tools to always be within reach and to never fail me when I need them. The faith is in God that, if my survival is His will, He will ensure that the tools are available, work correctly, and that my practice and training will kick in and be effective. All of the hysterics about this issue had one thing in common: each and every one of them misrepresented the situation. Not one of them bothered to mention that the Church was giving away a firearm as the culmination of a supervised and educational shooting competition. It wasn’t just a church randomly handing out a gun like the hoplophobes portrayed it.

Anyone who has ever done any competition shooting is used to guns being given away at them…it’s almost expected.

I do find one statement you made a little disturbing though:

I, however, trust guns more than God

If you are a Believer. I hope you don’t mean that literally. A gun is a tool. It may be helpful in a self defense situation…or not. God helps those who help themselves, but having faith in the tool over having faith that God will grant you the wisdom to use it wisely and the fortitude and skill to use it well is a faith that is a bit misplaced.

I ran across a joke a while back that sums it up perfectly:

A preacher during a flood had faith and prayed for God to save him.

When the water was up to his ankles some people in a truck came bay and offered to drive him to safety. The Preacher said “no thanks, God will save me”.

When the water was up to his waist, some people in a boat came by and offered to take him to safety. The Preacher said “no thanks, God will save me”.

When the water was up to the roof and the Preacher was on the rooftop, some people in a helicopter dropped him a ladder and offered to fly him to safety. The Preacher said “no thanks, God will save me”.

When the water was about to cover the Preacher’s head he cried out “God, oh God, why have you forsaken me?”

God spoke to the preacher and said “What are you talking about? I sent you a truck, a boat and a helicopter…what more do you want?”

The point being that I have complete faith in God…not that he will send his heavenly hosts to save me when I’m in danger…but that He will provide me with the tools, skills and ability to save myself…if that’s His plan for me. That doesn’t mean I have total faith in my tools to always be within reach and to never fail me when I need them. The faith is in God that, if my survival is His will, He will ensure that the tools are available, work correctly, and that my practice and training will kick in and be effective.

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