So enlighten me, Nappy from Colorado Springs! How influential are those Zionist jews and what is their global objective?

What follows, with his permission and with his name and rank omitted, is our discussion:Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:05:06 -0800 To: @antiwar.com Subject: Inquiry from website—-(USMC) submitted a link…here are the results! Subject: motive…

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/26/arguing-the-war/

Agreed. That’s left to the Imams. Not the same as AQ. No need to focus on AQ when there’s plenty to go around. And I’m very happy for you that you’ve known many Mid-East Muslims educated in madrassas and indoctrinated by imams to come to your astute conclusions about Mr. Spencer (and I’m guessing Daniel Pipes didn’t get a Christmas card from you either?).

“They talk about the creation of Israel, US soldiers in Saudi Arabia, Gulf war, sanctions against Iraq, and so on and so forth. That is how they attempt to appeal to Muslims, to get them to join them. That is what they teach them at their training camps…”

And it’s what they’ll continue to say long after we’re gone and not because “we were there.” Groups that kill other people because of cartoons do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. Societies that preach hate and back it up with some of the most despicable acts of domestic horror you’ve ever seen do not deserve the benefit of the doubt as Dr. Paul (or at least his supporters) are so quick to bestow.

Assume a massive pullout. Are they all going to sing, dance, shoot guns in the air and then turn to each other and say, “Well that was wild. What next? Wanna catch a movie?” Or are they going to start killing each other and seeing who can out-Islamic each other and still hate us all anyway? And still plot terrorism in their “war against the West?”

Right or wrong, pulling out and ignoring savages is akin to burying your head in the sand and hoping the bad people go away. Dr. Paul believes they will. I believe they won’t. There goes my vote.

I am not making a “typical mistake of collectivist thinking” by recognizing that Hamas, Hezbollah, AQ, militant A, B, and C all seem to have something in common, I’m stating the obvious which you so conveniently circumvent with some of that John Kerry-esque “Nuance”. It’s certainly not black and white. Certainly not every group is identical, but there does happen to be a lot in common and … keeping this on topic … Ron Paul’s collectivist solution of, “Leave them all alone” is a pretty broad paint-brush that would not gain us the same courtesy in return.

As far as forced conversions, that’s a well-documented bit of history and it’s been going on for a long time regardless of what you believe the Quran states. And saying, “Christians were evil killers too” does not diminish the fact that Islamic violence, war, life and death by the sword is rooted so deeply in that culture that it will never leave no matter how nice we are, how many concessions we give, or how much we submit.

Now, as to why AQ is attacking us, the record is equally crystal clear. It is not because we do not live under Sharia. It is because of our policies in the ME. You are making the typical mistake of leftists and right-wingers, that is collectivist thinking. The Ottoman Empire(which was FAR more religiously tolerant than the Christian nations of its time) is not al Qaeda. There are many, many different sects, ethnicities, and nationalities of Islam, many different groups and organizations with many different goals and grievances, some legitimate some not. AQ is one group with one set of goals, Hamas is a different group with a different set of goals, Hezbollah is another, the Kashmiri militants another, and so on and so forth. The collectivist sees all of those people as being the same thing. They are not.

You did.

Dennis

And?…so you’ve described the thugs that make up current Islam. You really want to take the chance that they love you and have your best intrests at heart? These people are cold-blooded killers that will kill you and your family and then praise allah. Son, you need to wake up before it’s too late.

Dennis

Now, as to why AQ is attacking us, the record is equally crystal clear. It is not because we do not live under Sharia. It is because of our policies in the ME. You are making the typical mistake of leftists and right-wingers, that is collectivist thinking. The Ottoman Empire(which was FAR more religiously tolerant than the Christian nations of its time) is not al Qaeda. There are many, many different sects, ethnicities, and nationalities of Islam, many different groups and organizations with many different goals and grievances, some legitimate some not. AQ is one group with one set of goals, Hamas is a different group with a different set of goals, Hezbollah is another, the Kashmiri militants another, and so on and so forth. The collectivist sees all of those people as being the same thing. They are not.

Al Qaeda does not recruit people by talking of spreading Sharia around the world, they talk about Western aggression against Muslims. They talk about the creation of Israel, US soldiers in Saudi Arabia, Gulf war, sanctions against Iraq, and so on and so forth. That is how they attempt to appeal to Muslims, to get them to join them. That is what they teach them at their training camps, formerly in Afghanistan now in western Pakistan. That is what bin Laden has consistently said in his public statements, both to the West and the Islamic world. That is what Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said in his confession.